Showing posts with label undead. Show all posts
Showing posts with label undead. Show all posts

Monday, 28 February 2011

"Why can't you just make do with what you've got?"

My grandmother's been asking me that for as long as I've been gaming, and in that decade and a half, I've never been able to come up with a satisfactory answer.  Given that I've built Warriors of Chaos and Ork armies three times, and Undead, Dark Eldar and Chaos Space Marines twice each, with occasional dalliances off to the side, it's a valid question.  Why do I, and others, feel the need to swap all the time?

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I blame Noel.  He hypnotises you into it.
Originally, I'd have said it was down to design limitations and boredom.  Particular factions in games have particular aesthetic and tactical styles, usually dictated by the game's background.  Chaos armies in Warhammer, for instance, tend to involve small units of armoured hardcases, covered in spiky metal trims, paired up with hordes of lesser minions, often under-armoured and fur-clad.  The army will feature only token ranged elements, top-end-of-middling magic, and overwhelming combat potential, and (if well designed in the particular edition) will have the mobility and control required to deliver it with some degree of effectiveness.


This is cool.  After a few years, though, it gets boring.  You end up playing essentially the same game all the time, which was the end result for my poor Vampires.  Some factions have more variety in them than others - a large collection of Dark Elves could play combat-heavy, range-heavy, magic-heavy, monster-and-chariot-heavy, skirmishy, hordey, anywhichwayyoulikey, but they'd still be M5, T3 and wear tinfoil armour painted in dark moody colours.  Eventually, you'll come up against the fundamental limitations the designers chose to place on the army, and I'd bet my bottom dollar that that will eventually become boring, although I suspect the game system itself may grow wearying and the player will either drift away or an edition change will occur before this boredom becomes truly endemic.

Historically, then, I've changed armies once I've become bored with the way they look and play.  Occasionally - more often in recent years - I've done so because they don't live up to my tabletop demands.  The problem is that changing armies doesn't help one escape from that - if anything, it exacarbates the issue, thanks to the inherent tactical limitations of small collections vs. large ones.

When you're starting out, you can lose during list-building, because you simply don't have the pieces available to engage meaningfully with what your opponent's bringing.  I'm finding that a lot with my Skorne - give them a target-light environment and they do all right, but give them a horde of stuff that they can't trample through or a small set of well-buffed targets and they flail horrendously.  I can tell what they require in order to do better, but it's quite a lot of stuff - more than I can afford to invest in, more than I'm able to prioritise effectively, and more than I want to paint (those uniforms are really starting to get to me).  Can I enjoy a game where it's possible for me to lose before I've even started, simply because I can't afford the variety of pieces to open up an interesting range of tactics?  Honestly, I have trouble giving a 'yes' to that one.

The issue is further raised by many game systems' privileging of expense.  40K5 likes high-cost low-value transports; WFB8 favours large units of increasingly-expensive plastic infantry (£15 for 10 Gor is bad enough, now factor in that it'll take 30 to make any sort of meaningful impact on the battlefield and you'll see why I don't play Beastmen), and Warmahordes has an internal kink that means units start to be a better buy than single models after the initial buy-in (it also has a bad habit of patching poor design choices with unit or weapon attachments, or solos that do the same job, which means your crap unit now 'needs' the new solo to make it worth the investment).  This may make sense for the companies, provided they don't go crazy with it (arbitrarily doubling the cost of Orc Boyz models that have been out for around ten years is my new benchmark for 'going crazy with pricing', in case you're wondering), but it's frustrating for the player who's trying to branch out.

Stelek said something about this recently, while exploring and justifying his own Skorne and explaining why he doesn't branch out into a third faction:

Also, I realized in my quest to figure out the kind of army I wanted to run in those other armies, that I could probably ‘make do’ with some upgrades to my Skorne.

Despite myself, I reckon I probably could have made do with my Cryx, very happily, especially if I hadn't been an idiot and sold off a good chunk of them during my Masters' year (to be fair, I did need the money...).  At the very least, I could have gotten by with just adding new pieces to the collection and extending what it could do.

The reason I didn't make do with what I had for Warmachine, is partly down to other people.  In the UK, the faction is both overplayed when compared to others, and annoying to many opponents because they don't 'play fair'. That combination of things tends to result in... not necessarily in butthurt, but just in a display of weariness from across the table as someone sees me unpacking the third Cryx army they've been 'cheated' by in one day.

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You get used to these as a Cryx player.


What I'm trying to say is that I may not have taken up Skorne if a bout of frustration with my Cryx collection hadn't co-incided with frustration from others that there were too many Cryx players around the place.  Beyond that, I'm not sure I'd have taken up WFB again if Dave and Shiny hadn't been around, with their models going unused, or 40K again if I hadn't decided to run the school club and wanted to play the game the kids played.

If I didn't think about what other people play, and how they want to play it, I'd never get any games in, or at least not any fun ones. It can't be argued, though, that attempting to address the needs and goals of others does create additional opportunities to spend time, effort and money.  It's with that in mind that I'm refocusing my efforts onto one faction, and that faction is Cryx.  Other people's sensibilities are less important than my wallet, in the end.

Wednesday, 12 January 2011

Testing, testing...

I mentioned the Mantic Skeletons in my last post and I've managed to get some painted.  I tried a number of different colours to see what final effect would look best (plus which would be easy to do 100 times over, and would look impressive when viewed as an army).  The results are below:

Of course the reason that they look so badly painted is due to some problem with my camera (and not because I'm a crap painter, they're only test pieces or erm... any other reason I can think of).  I'm going to go for the orange scheme (3rd along, looking a bit 'peachy') and the yellow and blue next to it.  I'll probably have units of each, though it'll be a while before I get started on painting them properly as I've got a metric tonne of Dark Eldar to get painted first.

Painting a few test pieces is a good idea if you're painting a large number of figures, it can be a nightmare to get halfway through an army and realise that it looks muddled and uncoordinated when it's all together on the tabletop.  Having to repaint or rebase figures can take up valuable time and money, so a few test pieces is quite a frugal idea!

Anyway, before I get onto my Dark Eldar or Undead I've got to finish off the Goblins, write a 2400pt list to go against Shiny tomorrow night and look at a 1000pt list for a forthcoming tournament (my first ever) so it's going to be a busy year.  Hooray!

Sunday, 9 January 2011

Mantic Undead - Bare Bones Cost

Unless you’ve been living under a rock for the past few years you must have noticed the huge range of non Games Workshop plastic 28mm kits now available.  The first I recall hitting the geeky streets were the Perry ACW kits swiftly followed by the Warlord AncientsMantic Games were the first to come on the scene with fantasy kits and have been very well received. 

As my goblin army has been nearing completion (more on this next week), I’ve been looking for a new army to start work on.  I’ve always fancied undead (not in that way), ever since I painted up some zombies and skeletons for Advanced Heroquest back when I was a lad.  I really liked the plastic undead range by Mantic Games so I decided to see what I could get for my Frugal pennies.

The Mantic undead range has been reviewed so many times that I won't go over old ground, suffice to say that I can confirm that the quality is fantastic, even if the range of poses is a little limited.  As this is a Frugal Gaming blog I’ll be looking at the price.  I ordered my figures at the end of last year, but I’ll use the post VAT increase prices to make my point.  Looking at the various deals available, the prices break down as follows (click on the picture for a bigger version):


As you can see from the deals available the best price per individual figure is the Undead Army set, giving a mighty 110 figures for a measly £50.  You don’t get any of the bells and whistles with some of the other sets (such as catapults, cavalry or metal army command group) but to act as the bulk of an army I think it’s a fantastic deal, and I can always pick up the other bits and pieces as I go along.  The other sets offer loads of great options and if you're looking at picking up a huge force then you'd be wise to go for the Liche King's Horde; the revenant cavalry models are amazing!

Frugal Conclusion
Simple really, with prices and quality like this you can’t go wrong, get some.  Oh, and I’m looking forward to seeing their forthcoming Orc and Goblin range as well!

Frugal Afterthoughts
To get an additional discount I’d recommend going to Wayland Games, I bought my Undead Army Set from them before the price rises and (with their discounts) only paid £39 with free delivery!  The customer service was excellent, even with the bad snow my order arrived within 24hrs of me ordering it online.  Thanks guys!

Happy gaming!

Dave

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